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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.13 17:55:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 30/09/2003 03:42:40
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For those involved in the Venal Civil war, or for those merely visiting the region, the NVA council provides the following information.
New Venal Alliance:
Allied Members List
[BLADE] Bladerunners
[C.C] Cult of Cthulhu
[C-C] Cryogenic Consultancy
[CDI] Cyberdyne Industries
[CUMT] Curtiss Militech
[DI] Draconic Industries
[FGH] Fighters of Heineken
[GLC] Galactico
[GODS] Generals of Destruction Syndicate
[GOF] Grumpy old Farts
[INF] Infinicorp
[JBX] JBX Corp
[JERIC] Jericho Fraction
[LUMMA] General Snus
[KIA] KIA Corp
[MDI] Manifest Destiny Inc.
[NOVA] Terra Nova Corp
[OCC] Occassus Republica
[PAIN] The Pain Syndicate
[PID] Pardon Inc.
[RAVEN] Ravens of Valhalla
[RIVER] River Deep
[RKK] Reikoku
[RONA] Rona Corporation
[SJT] Sirjay Technologies
[S.W] Shadow Warriors
[ZONE] Zone of Control
NAP (Non Aggression Pact
(No restriction in Venal or Pureblind
For combined military ops)
[BBBB] Big Bang Burger Bar
[BCKW] Backwater
[BSC] British Space Corp.
[BURN] Keepers of the Blue Flame
[CNX/CNXI] Cornexant
[CPDS] Cop Iae Dius
[CYB] Cyberdine Systems
[DARKM] Darkmoons
[DCINC] Dreamcatchers Inc.
[E X O] E x o d u s
[EVO] Evolution
[FSM] Free Space Mercenaries
[HDY] Hadean Drive Yards
[HARRR] Going Limp Inc
[NAGIN] Naginata
[OI] Oberon Incorporated
[ODYS] Odyssey Corporation
[OE] Omega Enterprises
[NCAA] NCAA INC.
[PLA] Playboy Enterprises
[SRDB] Sword Brigade
[SWC] Solar Wind
[TCHL] Techell Corp
[XAN] Xanadu
Enemy (Corps) Destroy on Sight
No Mercy
[TTI] Taggart Transdimension. (And SubCorps)
[M3G4] M3G4 corp.
[PLD] Paladins of the red skull
[SEN] Scenites
[999] Andras Pandemonium
[10KAD] Crusaders 10000AD
[AW1] Angels of Wrath
[SPVD] Space Invaders
[JEDI] Joint Espionage and Defence Industries
[BM-C] Biomass Cartel
[FRIG] Mercenary Frigates
Enemy (Individuals) Destroy on Sight
No Mercy
[????] Kari Stefansson
[????] Yrma
[????] Omniwar
Unknown ships in Venal: Currently policy is assumption of friendly intentions. Unknowns are encouraged to contact NVA authorities and declare their purpose.
Pureblind Policy: NVA considers Pure Blind a free territory under NVA protection. Though we make no formal territorial claim on the region, neither will be recognise any other territorial claim there. We are entirely happy to conduct joint anti-pirate manouvers in PB with native corps; but we will not allow the establishment of any controlled or exclusion zones in Pure Blind.
NB: While the shooting war with Taggart Transpiratical continues, independents and neutrals are not welcome in 6NJ8-V or Y-4CFK systems and will be asked to leave.
This is because Taggart uses a lot of disguised neutrals to run blockades and provide targeting information; the NVA expects a degree of common sense from visitors to the warzone.
Thank you for listening. Any enquiries or issues please contact me or another council member in-game.
Link to the New Venal Alliance declaration of principles
TTI and Ragnar ... the cause of war
Offices in Venal
Love and peace (and death to Ayn Rand)
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.14 00:07:00 -
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Agent Shield, in response to your general and specific queries:
In principle yes, you should be ôleft aloneö and allowed the travel in the Venal and Pureblind territory. NVA reserves the right to question you however, and may ask after your specific affiliations and intentions, potentially logging your presence and details as part of a free ôpassö system to track visitors and travellers to the region.
Be advised to respond to such queries with politeness and honest demeanour and there should be no problems.
NVA has stated a declaration in principle supporting the ôfree spaceö open access concept to lone travellers and explorers. But always monsieur, be sensible, be forthright, and be accessible; and remember that answering hails, paying attention to local chat, and being aware of military presence in system is the key to avoiding costly mistakes. No, you donÆt need an invitation, but access is no substitute for respect, be respectful and respect our customs and you should be fine.
If you are intending to stay in region for an extended period there may be grounds for applying for formal NAP; but such matters are for personal discussion.
Re 6NJ, that is a problematic system as explained in the main post. You have the right of it though; exceptions can be negotiated by direct communications with the NVA.
Always in relation to the above, the NVA must offer disclaimer that the region is not ôunder controlö and a civil war is being fought. Taggart Transpiratical is a nefarious fallen megacorporation in league with murderous pirates and psychopaths; bad things can happen in Venal and Pureblind to the unwary. This is a bitter dispute, and tensions are high. Transit must be considered hazardous.
Still, if that doesnÆt put you off monsieur you are evidently a brave man and courage is the meat and drink of the NVA! Come and see the sights and if you like it, perhaps you will like so many other men and women of valour consider pledging heart and blade to the service of freedom and liberty in this once-benighted region.
Love and peace.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.14 01:30:00 -
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I hear Taggart Transpiratical are paying well Stavros m'dear. You might want to get in touch with Ragnar?
Love and peace
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.14 16:00:00 -
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Monsieur Stavros
IÆm a public relations consultant, I fight my wars by building alliances. But that said, I have actually fought a battleship engagement to the death, I suppose that puts me in a fairly small subcategory of eve-ites.
Dearest Joshua
Solar Wind are what we call in the trade, ideological mercenaries. They are honourable and skilled combatants and they hate Taggart Transpiratical as much as we do.
Mr Pecker
I know half the people on the KOS list are in 6N/J4. Funny that mÆdear, maybe itÆs because we are fighting a war.
Indigo
I hardly think itÆs appropriate for you to question the legitimacy of the NVA; especially since the Taggart Transpiratical ôNorthern Allianceö is compromised of the most brutal murdering maniacs in the Eve star cluster
To answer your questions though; there are reformed and reforming piratical elements to a minority of NVA corporations. The non-piratical statement of principles expressly committed the NVA to ôfree spaceö and lawful endeavour, and in the fullness of time and open democratic voting we will see these principles ratified to binding constitution. If particular NVA corps disagree with overall policy they will have the option of leaving NVA space and finding alternative employment.
Yes, in some cases the presence of corporations pledged to multiple alliances is indeed a sign of special cooperation between those alliances. You must try to realise the degree to which Taggart Transpiratial is loathed mÆdear Indigo. You space invaders were merely dashing highway robbers and lyrical rogues once. But by making common cause with Ragnar you have descended into the lowest pits of corruption and face a share of broad derision thence and after.
Soul King/Tehel Necrosis
I donÆt think you even understand the word ôhonestyö.
No seriously mÆdear, try and understand, ôhonestyö means telling the truth.
IÆve a question for you though.
Are the reports that we are now getting of RagnarÆs flight from Venal for a ôvacationö true?
(Comms chatter from your allies suggests that CEO Ragnar has quit the field after making a last Northern Alliance broadcast that encouraged all troops to fight and die and spend their last breath in the fruitless oppression of Venal.)
I find this very amusing. For having sacrificed the VA for TTI profits, now Ragnar seems to want to sacrifice the Northern Piratical Alliance for the same cause.
Does bring into question the wit of your allies though. One can almost forgive the Scenites and M3G4 because they haven't been betrayed by TTI before (to my knowledge). But to the Palladins, the SI, and those others, honestly, its only been a few weeks since your sold them out the last time!
So Tehel, are you hiding in stations to cover RagnarÆs yellow streak now?
Love and peace
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.14 17:16:00 -
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The strange thing is Tehel, I'm on the way to to a fight and I keep passing Taggart ships running the other way. Seems pretty conclusive that your banner device is yellow for more than asthetic reasons m'dear.
And (just to be clear) are you denying Ragnars "You guys fight them on the beaches (while I sunbathe on some completely different ones) speech then"?
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.14 17:41:00 -
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Somehow I get the impression that I'm getting to you Mongo ;)
The last Taggart ship I saw fleeing in the other direction was Alumnia in a Moa. Ten minutes ago. And of course yesterday we saw the exodus of an eight indy Taggart fleet wholsale abandoning their allies and packing up shop lock stock.
Only people fighting the Taggart war are Taggart dupes m'dear.
Love and peace.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.14 18:02:00 -
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Are you now the "Taggart Transpiratical" Information Minister now Tehel?
"Our ships are not leaving, they are flying backwards in parade ground order to celebrate the birthday of our glorious leader!"
Its quite hilarious
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.14 19:02:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 14/09/2003 19:12:51
Stop press ... before the Taggart Information Minister releases the gloat ...
I have just awoken from resleeving. The M3G4 corp pilot "Number One" is the proud owner of a previous incarnation's corpse. I have congratulated the man on the kill and advised him to demand the full 100 million bounty offered by Ragnar some days ago.
My body was slain in battle against a sizable M3G4 corp fleet in Venal.
I personally saw absolutely no TTI involvement in the large fleet action I was witness too.
Pretty clear that Taggart ships were running south to allow their allies to carry the fighting.
A hard thing to wake from dead to a new body, yet the spirit is immortal, and even as the fluids of the resleeving process are washed and dried away by the clinic attendents, my thoughts return to the war, and the fight ahead.
Congratulations again Number One, you are 100million isk richer.
Love and peace
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.14 19:19:00 -
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I'm afraid its the price to be paid for having taken a stand against Taggart Transpiratical and the alliance of evil men prepared to follow the shadow of Ragnar's tyranny.
My honesty was poison to the Taggart machine. And like an idiot child swotting away a well-intentioned gesture, Ragnar named me victim of "fatwah" and multiple murder.
I knew the risks when I stood up to that lunatic and his goons.
This war is not over yet.
Hope remains
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.14 20:40:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 14/09/2003 20:43:54
Thank you monsieur Calvert, your opinion means a great deal. As indeed do the opinions of all those of neutrality who look upon the simple issues here, and see the truth of what it is we are fighting for. In truth, there is no better or clearer or surpassingly good reason to support a thing, than that it simply ôfeels rightö. Such instincts separate us from low beasts and slaves to fiscal far dominion.
Tehel Necrosis, Sir monster, servant of a monstrous tyrant.
You admit in words your intent to bury truth beneath the military victory of your foulest allies. Lies and bitter hatred are your bedfellows and rutting partners mÆdear, they are your meat and drink, your music and your sole commitment to the future. But your lies now cannot unsay the words that Ragnar made. Your protestations cannot revoke the murderous solicitation to multiple assassinations, nor the stabbing blade of treacherous falsehood.
Yes I name you Taggart Transpiratical, your CEO has relished the role, you have yourself lauded pirates and the destruction of innocent faith. Your own badge of corporate pride is a sign of terror to peaceful merchant endeavour, and your corporate goals pure poison to the development of free political union and bright potential.
You are a snake, and like a snake you spit venom. But your belly crawls upon the ground and your spite cannot reach hearts far intent on high-designs and idealistic revelation.
My enemies mÆdear, do scarcely count for high tally, for on the one hand they are paid mercenaries and on the other blinded dupes, and both full manipulated and misused by the despised logo before which you kneel in blind obedience.
I will allow myself just one moment to deconstruct your language of lies mÆdear;
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Sure i in the past have used inappropriate attacks on Jade but only when called for
Explain to me, if you will, how inappropriate may ever be called for?
If this is an example of Taggart wisdom rather than logic then it is easy to see how black can be white, and lies can be truth, and how the Transpiratical alliance is anything but a filthy sinkhole of depravity populated by syphilitic sycophants and rank-reeking moral lepers beyond the ken of civilised renown.
Condemned by your own lips.
Love and peace (and death to Ayn Rand)
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.14 22:19:00 -
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It was a blackbird you mook!
Honestly, too much time listening to the Taggart information minister has obviously warped your perception of reality.
Do you really think a Raven would have gone down so easily?
Love and peace
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.14 22:22:00 -
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Nice to see you have finally admitted partiality and have joined the TTI propaganda department Yoseph, but now, I need to ask you, where is the Qball interview you promised us several days ago?
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Posted - 2003.09.14 22:26:00 -
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Thanks for being more honest that your alliance partners Number One. Honestly, pointless muppets like Asimov are nowhere near the fight and still believe they have a line on the facts of the engagement.
Tell me though number one m'dear, have Taggart payed up in full?
Love and peace
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.14 23:10:00 -
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Actually guys, if you are settling for 5m you are being robbed. Ragnar upped the bounty to 100m to Paladins and Andras Pandemonium on PB gate camping duty. I had a very long and intriguing conversation on the very issue with some of Ragnar's henchmen.
It comes as no surprise to me to hear that he's gone back on the deal though. Its certainly not out of character.
Sad to see M3G4 corp being taken like mug-punters by the quick-talking Taggart con-artists though.
Still, everyone always said you weren't the brightest boys on the block.
Love and peace
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.14 23:27:00 -
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Whatever mr Shok. Still you guys don't have the greatest record of paying what you owe now do you?
Seriously, M3G4 deserve their bounty. They managed to do more in an hour than Taggart have done in two weeks.
If it was me being sharped to the tune of 95 million isk.
I would be seriously ****ed.
Love and peace
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.14 23:49:00 -
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Don't believe everything you hear from mr TTI Stavros. They tell quite a few lies you know.
According to Taggart I lost a Raven tonight.
Scale up the nominal cost to my wallet from what I really lost (a shop built black bird for a few million), and you might see the beginnings of the mathematical ratio they are working on.
Mark A says 8-1 ;) Thats quite funny for a lot of reasons.
Love and peace
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.15 00:11:00 -
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Try reading what I said Yoseph. But then, thats always been a critical shortcoming with your logic hasn't it? The actual words on the screen never tie up with your wiltermitty-esq internal dialogue.
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Posted - 2003.09.15 01:08:00 -
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Yoseph ... read what *I* said you pointless muppet. Don't try and make me accountable for the lies that Taggart spread.
You are getting so very desperate.
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Posted - 2003.09.15 01:13:00 -
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Lottsa Pox
Have you been taking Yoseph Cohen lessons?
If you read up the thread you will see that we have published a list of members and a list of NAP partners.
Xanadu are on the latter list.
They are allied in the war against the Taggart Transpiratical "northern alliance". But they are not part of the NVA.
We are merely united in our hatred for TTI and their loathsome cronies.
(I think that includes you as well Yosef)
Love and peace (and death to moronic numbskulls)
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.15 01:27:00 -
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A humorous story now; ôsmoked gets smokedö.
The CEO of M3G4 just got whacked by the Generals of Destruction Syndicate in 6NJ, (who then proceeded to collect his bounty). This is the 2nd time in 24 hours that M3G4Æs war chief has lost his ship, since last night his Dominix was destroyed by NVA combined action.
This time Smoked was scouting in a shuttle, hardly an auspicious kill, but certainly an amusing one and a lovely headline.
Love and peace.
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Posted - 2003.09.15 01:39:00 -
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And still more! The ôPhoneyö Apocalypse gets blown sky high!
In a report from a few minutes ago; Andras Pandaemonium corp [999] is now short one battleship, as combined NVA forces showed the Phoney pirate the door.
ôPhoneyö came to fame a few days ago when his inept combat and gunnery skills helped him to fail to destroy my industrial ship with 3 volleys of battleship class weaponry at the EC-PBR jumpgate.
Now (in combat with real combatants) it seems the ôPhoneyö war has finally come down to haunt Andras Pandaemonium!
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Posted - 2003.09.15 02:03:00 -
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More details of M3G4 corp and (amazingly) TTI ship losses are now coming through.
Krauss [M3G4] ship unknown, Sohail M3G4 ship omen, Yolan T' SAi's [TTi] ship dominix, were claimed confirmed kills by NVA pilots in the combined fleet actions ongoing.
Details are sketchy, but one thing is clear;
MarkA's 8-1 thrashing is pretty much a figment of his own imagination.
Only the most foolish and idiotic commentators should pay a great deal of attention to the Taggart Information ministry. (that means you Yoseph)
In a statement issued some moments ago, Robeyone of Rona invited the neutral press to view Rona Corps growing collection of enemy corpses and battleship fragments.
Presidio of the Generals of Destruction Syndicate also published details of wreckage sweep in theatre, and wishes to thank Taggart Transpiratical for the gift of numerous Heavy modulated beam lasers and assorted ultra rare items.
This war is still continuing and the results are too early to tell, but one thing is certain;
The fighting NVA are not finished yet!
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Posted - 2003.09.15 02:07:00 -
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Just to be clear, the bounty on Jade is, and always has been, 20x5M=100M, ie 5M bounty for each of the first 20 of her corpses.
Way to go MarkA ... you bare-faced fibber! Talk about rooking your allies. It's so blatent its almost tragic ... not only have you got M3G4 fighting the war for them you are now pickpocketing their mercenary wage while their heads are turned!
Amazing!
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.15 02:26:00 -
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Unlike your Transpiratical allies, I don't tell lies mr Pox. I confirm you did just take out an NVA Apocalypse to even the score on Amarri Battleship losses.
I would refute your casus beli though. NVA never "closed" Venal and Pureblind by declaration. We actually did the opposite, much to Ragnar's fury.
You see we declared "free access" and the *****mongers of Taggart Transpiratical couldn't stomach the closing of their cartel.
And that, m'dear chap, is where you come in.
Enter the dupes and the mug-punters to be cheated out of your villain's wage by sharp-suited hypocrits and puling sycophants.
All that effort to be short-changed and mocked in private by the leaders of the "Northern Alliance"
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Ragnar > This will never be mistaken for the Mensa Alliance. :)
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.15 03:00:00 -
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I think you mean "went to bed."
Its quite late here you know!
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Posted - 2003.09.15 03:06:00 -
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The joys of international participation m'dear, still, have a good evening!
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Posted - 2003.09.15 12:01:00 -
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IÆll take your ôhardö questions monsieur Hardin, though they arenÆt that difficult to answer, they are at least more interesting to address than Yoseph CohenÆs normal level of nonsense;
Re TTI Fleeing,
Check the map monsieur, last night it was reading 50+ ships killed in theatre in past 24 hours. I reported only one confirmed kill of a TTI ship in theatre. On the way to the battle I passed Taggart ships heading in the other direction. From the day before we had reports of TTI individuals trying to negotiate safe passage for mineral transports from Venal. We also had specific reports of Ragnar leaving the theatre and giving a speech to the Piratical Northern Alliance, encouraging them to fight for the last and bleed his enemies in endless war.
Now, that all adds up to a strategic retreat Hardin, while their allies cover their backs. DÚjÓ vu perhaps?
Re control,
If you are having difficulty understanding them [my reports] Hardin mÆdear, I suggest you read them! Seriously, I have described the situation as an ongoing war for liberation, a civil war, a hot-dispute, a conflict zone. I make a point of being accurate in my statements. If I tell you a war is being fought and travellers should take care then I am not telling you 100% control exists. Just read what I say, not what the propagandists and spin-doctors like Yoseph and Tehel say I say.
Re the war effort,
Well, my original issue with TTI goes a lot further than the mere provision of BYOM +taggart[profit] ship deals. And do remember that the assertion of BE5 deals is hotly contested. This deal was never universally offered, or anything close to that.
The difference now is simply;
NVA is an alliance, and in the alliance the member corporations are helping each other. Replacements are being built for mineral cost only. Blueprints are being offered free of charge. A common cruiser replacement stockpile exists. Everyone is paying their way and doing their share. Friends outside the alliance who loath Taggart Transpiratical are also doing their bit for the war effort with generous donations and visionary commitment to the cause. We have assembled a wide coalition of honest and honourable corporations who have pledged aid and manpower to confront the spectre of pan-regional megacorp funded piratical endeavour.
Regardless of Taggart propaganda and the diuretic ranting of their rhetorically-challenged information minister Mr Necrosis, this war is being fought in the hearts and minds of the general population of Eve. Many pilots and corporations have lost ships and lives and profits to the allies of Taggart Transpiratical, and though taken individually, these people are ôsmall beerö (in the words of Ragnar), and certainly not worth the 2 billion another Taggart commentator on these threads believes is the breakpoint to earning significant statusà together, itÆs a different story.
Together the general population of honourable, hard-working citizens of Eve can confront and defeat the sickening shadow of RagnarÆs thieving work-shy piratical vultures, and forever put the lie to the dominance of immoral big-isk villains above and beyond the meaningful reproach of justice and just endeavour.
And that, monsieur Hardin, answers your question.
Love and peace (and death to Ayn Rand)
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.15 13:02:00 -
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Renox! What on earth? *laughs*, okay IÆll be kind since I havenÆt seen you posting very much here before.
I could cut and paste dozens of low-personal attacks from your alliance members to illustrate the hypocrisy of what you have just said. I could show you Tehel calling me a low *****, accusing my officers of giving oral sex for payment, of slander, of lies, of juvenile curse words, and these and a myriad low-grade jibes and mean-spirited slights beyond.
But what is the point? The public at large know the way Taggart Transpiratical does business. You are proven dishonourable lying dogs, condemned by association with the name of your corporation, branded by proximity to the executives who make a living from betraying agreements, abandoning allies, profiteering from wars they start, and then fleeing from the scene to let others pay the price for their fighting.
If you want a reputation for anything above a corrupt mass of deceit and foul practise then take off your corporate logo, abandon Ragnar to his well-deserved fate, and join the rest of humanity in understanding exactly what this dispute is about.
ôLow personal attacksö
Monsieur, I have a personal code of ethics for dealing with people who want me murdered. Put simply, anything goes. You waive the right to practical or rhetorical restraint when you support a man who wants me murdered twenty times and uses Taggart cash to do it.
For god sake go!
If you care about such civilities get the hell out of Taggart Transpiratical!
Calladen Nimitz and Yoshowhatsit have shown you the way.
Start a new life and rebuild your reputation.
ThatÆs my best advice to you.
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Posted - 2003.09.15 13:27:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 15/09/2003 13:29:37
Oh please!
Go and learn a new trick m'dear, why oh why does it always come down to this?
Taggart X personality appears,
Taggart X personality asks an innocuous sounding question.
Taggart X personality is answered,
Taggart X personality builds a spurious position on propaganda and falsehood,
Hilarity ensues.
IÆll save you some time and skip to end.
Taggart X personality is torn to shreds by the many many contradictions and critical vulnerabilities in Taggart rhetorical position.
Taggart X personality makes a silly mistake and provably false accusation
Taggart X personality is asked to apologise
Taggart X personality wriggles and looks foolish
Taggart X personality disappears from the radar
Seriously mÆdear, if you donÆt like being derided then go hide under a rock for a bit.
I'm bored beyond belief with the dullsville one-track debating style of you taggart clones. You are literally all the same. Its so apparent its sinister.
Die already!
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Posted - 2003.09.15 13:42:00 -
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I actually copied and pasted this segment from earlier in the thread in anticipation of your one-track debating stance m'dear. Would be easy enough to simply say "read what i wrote" but seems that trick is one trick to many for the Taggart one-trick pony!
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To answer your questions though; there are reformed and reforming piratical elements to a minority of NVA corporations. The non-piratical statement of principles expressly committed the NVA to ôfree spaceö and lawful endeavour, and in the fullness of time and open democratic voting we will see these principles ratified to binding constitution. If particular NVA corps disagree with overall policy they will have the option of leaving NVA space and finding alternative employment.
Read the declaration of princples.
Read the what has been written.
If you want debate then bring something to the table.
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Posted - 2003.09.15 14:05:00 -
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ok, so it is to say that if they do engage in piracy they will be asked to cease or leave the NVA?
Read the declaration of principles and the statement as written. I have said everything on that matter I am empowered to do so. The NVA is a representative council of the NVA member corps. All such decisions will be made by formal vote.
Put 2+2 together and try making 4. (I know this is difficult for a TTI mind reared on doubtletalk and ideological Randite brainwashing, but try really hard and you might just manage it.)
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Posted - 2003.09.15 14:08:00 -
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IÆm not involved in this ôwar of wordsö nor am I a fan of anyone who would use legal action against CCP over a game.
Excuse me for a moment (and going ooc) are you saying someone has gone after CCP legally somehow?
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Posted - 2003.09.15 14:35:00 -
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Hardin, I think you are due some sort of record there. That was an awful lot of quoting and cut and paste to say precisely nothing.
I answered your question.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.15 14:47:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 15/09/2003 14:49:39
Oh mr Hardon I can't resist though, ;)
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Although I am no fan of TTi I believe Tehel plays it relatively straight and indeed often lets his actions do the talking.
Care to comment on this gem from the Taggart Transpiratical information minister?
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[Tehel] Sure i in the past have used inappropriate attacks on Jade but only when called for
And as for yourself;
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I will not comment on Yosef!
Why on earth not? You wasted a thousand words saying not much at all. Why not put a sentence or two on the record re Yoseph while you are at it?
Does PIE Inc. believe Yoseph Cohen's reporting is a valid and reliable news source?
Love and peace.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.15 15:06:00 -
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That you for noticing DB Preacher, mÆdear, it has been a pretty much constant barrage of nonsense from the Taggart Transdimensional side from day one. I think Taggart decided early on to try the dirty public relations approach, which basically means hurling an endless torrent of unsubstantiated allegations and rubbish in the hope that some of the mud will stick.
Sadly for them they literally donÆt have a leg to stand on.
All this is pretty much in the open.
We published the council logs.
Everyone knows what happened and why.
As for debating points, I certainly donÆt recall losing one to Taggart Transpiratical in the past fifteen days. They do always go the same way; accusations proven false, then silly threats and personal attacks.
Re your last point, yes, you are entirely right. Public Relations helps to win wars. Fifteen days ago the remnants of the old VA were a pitiful broken group of corps stabbed in the back and discarded by Taggart in favour of their new openly murderous allies. All the smart money in Eve was on the Taggart/M3G4/SI pact pretty much owning Venal.
But we played it straight, we hid nothing, we made the decisions we had to make. Like-minded and honourable men and women have pledged common cause with the NVA in the weeks since, and we have literally grown in confidence and stature and commitment to the declaration of principle sworn in our darkest hour.
We in the NVA donÆt re-write history, we donÆt edit out spoken evidence, we donÆt deny the evidence of public chatlogs, we donÆt report Black Bird kills as Ravens, we donÆt claim 8-1 thrashings in fleet victories, we donÆt announce territory ôownedö and secure if it is not. We donÆt make promises we cannot keep.
At the end of day, we tell the truth.
And that is the reason that Taggart and the Transpiratical alliance havenÆt won an argument in 15 days.
Once upon a time I tried to reform Ragnar. When Taggart joined the VA I had a private discussion with the man, and he asked me why Taggart was so hated? And what he could do to improve the image of his corporation.
My answer to him was simple.
Tell the truth. Believe absolutely that any lie you tell will come back to haunt you. Nothing stays secret forever. Tell the truth and you have nothing to fear from moles and informers. Tell the truth, and you will never lose a public relations battle again.
Ragnar didnÆt listen.
His people still arenÆt listening.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.15 15:11:00 -
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Mr Hardon
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I did not comment on Yosef as I do not view him as a reliable source - although he does occasionally make good points.
Care to name some?
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As to using a thousand words and not saying much at all can you not see that I have been learning from you my dear Constantspin!
Time to ante up or ship out now Mr Hardon. Amongst your many words you accused me of building conspiracies with Xanadu and the FA.
Art has kindly put the lie to your accusation. Are you prepared to retract or are you going to sustain your charge and accuse the esteemed Xanadu rep of lying in a public debate?
Money where your mouth is time m'dear Hardon.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.15 15:44:00 -
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I'm afraid Mr hardon that by accusing a lack of commitment in the war effort vs EVO/XAN in the same breath as talking about conspiracies, you are very much suggesting the false conclusion that I have asked you to retract.
Linguistic shuffleboard aside though; nice grovelling by the way!
Seems you have shrivelled up a little bit.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.16 14:49:00 -
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I think I'm sticking with the grovelling interpretation m'dear.
Love and peace
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.17 13:17:00 -
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Shar Tegral you really are a master of hypocrisy.
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And I would realy like to know. Screw the fact that I'm in TTI. I don't like griefers and pirates... period. Answer the freaking question straight.
How can you be in Taggart Transpiratical and not love griefers and pirates? ThatÆs the damn question.
As for the one I was asked? How can I answer it? I was asked I would throw corporations out of the NVA for pirating neutrals. Answer ôNOö à you know why? I think you do. Because I do not run the NVA, I am the CEO of a member corp with one vote amongst 25. Would I vote for the expulsion of corp that practised pirating neutrals? ôYESö. Do I think the NVA as a whole would vote for expulsion? ôYESö.
So back to some questions for you now,
Will you leave TTI because your personal morality is in complete opposition to TaggartÆs alliance and dependence on pirate corporations to fight their war?
YES/NO
Are you a critically compromised hypocrite for staying thus far in contradiction of your stated morals?
YES/NO (if NO please give reasons to support your answer)
Answers please Shar Tegral
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.17 13:47:00 -
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What on earth? How is that a change of tone? We have 25 member corporations and the massive majority of them are fully in-favour of the anti-piratical/free-space agenda. Read the declaration of principles mÆdear, to join the NVA you have to agree to be bound by them. When we declared we were 7 corporations; that means 18 have come on board by agreeing that declaration. Do the numbers. Even if the original 7 were all pirates! (which obviously having drafted the declaration they were not) that still means that a majority in favour of the anti piratical pledge and free-space promise.
No pirate corps have joined. Simple enough for you!
The facts do not support your conclusions.
I recommend you go back and re-read them.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.17 14:37:00 -
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Are Keepers of the Blue Flame and Venal Guardians part of the NVA?
I suggest you start at the beginning of this thread Tehel, and keep reading.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.17 14:49:00 -
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Georg, georg, my poor little fruitcake.
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ôYour rhetoric is obviously slipping Jade. I based my last post entirely on your own statementsö
No you didnÆt, and you also intentionally technically misquoted me by snipping out words.
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ôwhich most certainly did not come out with the NVA condemning piracy and stated that if a majority came out in favour you would go with that majority whether it was against your principlesö
No I didnÆt. Now you are blatantly lying.
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ôA bit more consistency in your spin is called for I think.ö
No just a bit more honesty from muppets like you,
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ôAt the moment your value as spokesperson is lacking with both the tone and direction changing as time progresses.ö
Not true, and you are still lying mÆdear
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ôAnd one last thing: I am not your dear. That kind of familiarity is not warranted or granted and goes back to my comment on the tone of your posts.ö
And do I care? MÆdear. You have come out of closet as a misquoter, a liar, an idiot, and a pointless waste of electrons. I could care less what you think and what you write. Welcome to trollsville.
And if you take exception to that you have the option of joining the Taggart Transpiratical alliance and putting your money where your mouth is.
Have a nice day! m'dear
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.17 14:55:00 -
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Shar you failed to completely answer my question.
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Are you a critically compromised hypocrite for staying thus far in contradiction of your stated morals?
YES/NO (if NO please give reasons to support your answer)
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.17 15:03:00 -
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And you've completley avoided mine also.
I don't need to answer yours tehel because you have quoted the statement to the effect from the original post in this thread. Honestly if you Taggart types were any more anal you'd disappear entirely up your own backsides and save us the bother of blasting your tawdry little pirate empire into the stone-age.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.17 15:28:00 -
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And here is why I use personal attacks with morons m'dear.
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Now to me that reads that a) the if the NVA voted to allow piracy Jericho would go along with the majority and b) the matter is a question for the vote and hence not the absolute principle the early NVA statements said it was.
"Now to me that reads"
So actually you admit now it was your interpretation not my statement?
An interpretation to the effect that I would continue to remain in an NVA that came to be dominated by piratical corporations.
You didn't ask me the question.
You assumed that I and Jericho would remain in the NVA if majority vote rejected the declaration of principles.
And assuming that, you then presented it as a direct quote of what I had said.
In this you were lying.
You had only personal interpretation not my words to build your argument on.
Admit this m'dear, and I may consider your comments worthy of note again.
Admit this not and I simply don't care about you.
The past couple of weeks have been ripe with liars and hypocrits and sychophants, I do not chose to waste my time pandering to them.
Intentional false-quoting of my words is never going to earn you a great deal of respect beyond the Taggart Transpiratical camp.
If you want to know want I will do in the unlikely event of NVA voting to reject the principles and go pirate. Just ask.
Don't assume.
It really does make an ass out of you.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.17 15:38:00 -
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Georg ... in another thread you posted this statement which is totally untrue and does not accurately reflect any statement I have ever made.
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... in which you stated that if the majority position in the NVA was to allow piracy against neutrals in Venal then your corp would go along with it, even if it was against your own principles.
I have never said that. I do not agree with that. And you are simply making it up.
That makes you a liar in my book.
As a liar you are worthy of no respect.
Apologise and retract and maybe we will get somewhere.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.17 16:10:00 -
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This is a post that is objective and worthy of respect. It points out what he feels is the point of issue without taking shots at TTI as a whole. He even acknowledges that there are good people in TTI, not an admisstion that TTI as whole is good, and what the real worth of all this discussion is....
But Shar, you were praising Yoseph Cohen a few days ago. You didn't have anything bad to say about the man. Now you agree with a post that contends his position is entirely worthless?
Isn't that hypocritical?
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.17 16:33:00 -
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ThatÆs a lot of words Georg, but before I start debating with you again in earnest I need you to make it clear that you presented a false view of my spoken words to dishonestly contend a position I have never stated. Any conversation may be based on interpretation, but you contended on another thread that I had stated something that I havenÆt.
That makes you a liar. And means you owe me a retraction and apology.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.17 17:11:00 -
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Georg, I think we both know that you exceeded the rules of civilised debate; by presenting your own interpretation, as something I had said, as apparent fact in another thread.
Still, I have absolutely no hesitating in going on the record to say;
I as CEO of Jericho will call a vote internally (amongst the Jericho membership) to break ties with the NVA if the NVA council does not endorse the statement of principles placed on public record (and thereby endorsing the anti-piracy/free-space principle) by majority vote at the upcoming council session.
As a founder member of the NVA those principles are vital to my participation in the alliance.
I have every expectation that the statement of principles will be ratified. And every expectation that the NVA will be the equal of its principles in times to come.
I personally would have no interest in ascociation with an NVA council that failed to live up to its founding principles.
I also see no issue with corporations disassociating themselves with wider bodies adopting contradictary philosophical positions to member principles. You remain a member of a thing while the core values are acceptible to you. You leave when they are not. The middle ground has room for debate and negotiation but if two viewpoints prove ultimately irreconcilable, there is no other honourable course but to part company.
Now mr Tehel is about to tell us that two member corps of the NVA have engaged in piratical actions over the past few days.
On the record I state that I condemn these actions and will be calling upon the CEO's of the corporations involved to cease and desist from such actions immediately.
Such things are inimicable to the declaration of principles and as such cannot be permitted within an NVA that endorses those principles.
If after formal endorsement such behaviour continues, then I will petition the NVA council to sanction the individual corporations involved. If those corporations do not reign in their members then, the NVA council will have no alternative but to debate and ennact formal ejection from the member list.
And that is my personal view, and the view of the Jericho corporation membership that I represent.
I trust that answers the question,
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.17 18:24:00 -
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Ah, so you actually disagree with what he said then?
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.17 22:08:00 -
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Ulstan my sweet little dinket-scallion!
To remedy your confusion mÆdear; Smoked wasnÆt actually podded the first time around. His ship was blown but he was not. Second time was the charm however, but doubtless he was asking for it à scouting in a shuttle no less.
And re warfare and understanding therein; I havenÆt claimed victory or anything so crass. The reason I mention the running out of Venal for Taggart is simply to remind people that we have been here before; Taggart allies do the fighting while Taggart avoid combat and continue making money. Now perhaps thatÆs pirate warfare or perhaps not, but surely some of the Taggart allies must be feeling a little silly to have been sold a war by an absentee general by now?
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.17 22:26:00 -
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Of course, take a look at the NVA allies list; bring up the corp details and information in-game and make the approaches. If you are a new player there are a number of frigate combat wings that can get you going quickly, if you are a more developed character then it should be quite easy to find a berth and role in the war.
Victory!
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.18 12:25:00 -
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[Georg wrote]
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That was very explicit and exactly what was needed and a welcome change of direction for Jericho after its associations within the original VA. On that basis I do indeed apoogise for reading too much into the statement I quoted previously.
My thanks for your clarification and acceptance of my word. And now I apologise for being blunt and hostile in my response to you yesterday. Its true that I have allowed frustration and irritation to guide my verbal rejoinders in past days. But I am only human Georg, and there is just so much unsubstantiated slanderous nonsense a gal can listen too without losing her temper occassionally. Its difficult to keep equilibrium in response while enduring the slings and arrows and smear of the Taggart propaganda machine 24 hours a day. Sometimes it is difficult to spot a true and earnest approach amongst the many false snares and rhetorical quagmires posed by the enemy.
Still, I, Jericho, and the NVA, should be better than that, so please accept my apology for snapping and losing my cool.
Love and peace.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.19 13:59:00 -
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Charming m'dear; though resleeving past the violent death of the physical body is doubtless a process fraught with peril, 'tis not a precaution I neglected to take in generous terms and surplus wide anticipation.
The clinic on Eletta readied a new body for my mind to exhaustive standards and I fully commend their after-waking therapeutics and reflexology spar besides.
One really does pay for quality dear chap.
Love and peace
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.19 19:15:00 -
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Taggart are targetting us Ulstan, and they are bankrolling the piratical northern alliance. Carrying the war to their backyard is basic self defense m'dear.
We didn't declare this war, they did.
Next question?
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.19 20:23:00 -
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Tsel, Caldari, ôMajestic Twelveö
The question is m'dear, why do muppets like your good self even bother to type inconsequential nonsense in presence of better men and women. Are you hoping to represent your corporation in a good light? If so its been a dreadful waste of effort hun; IÆm afraid you need to take a ticket and join the Mr Pecker memorial queue for pointless interjection hour.
Ulstan, Caldari, Space Invaders
Ah, a whole better brand of Caldari rogue than the last slack-jawed numpty! I called you a dinket-scallion because your brigrandry has some flair and panache, and you are a gentleman despite your allegiances. Still, the matter of Taggart promises is between you and Ragnar I think, harlot and pimp professional relationships are best kept between the participants.
Love and peace
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.20 19:53:00 -
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"Merckiller" meets the Pain Syndicate special operations wing!
Some moments ago in venal space M3G4 pilot "Merckiller" was shot out of his Scorpion battleship by elements of the NVA home guard. Pilots, Lurk, Hammah and Mimic would like to pass their compliments to M3G4 corp for once more providing amusement to the bold NVA.
Love and peace
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.22 14:09:00 -
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I do my bit m'dear. Still these are important issues and it doesn't do to let a poetic appreciation of rhetorical device entirely occlude the point of all this.
Love and peace
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.22 15:47:00 -
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You're a real charmer Molly; I bet you win a lot of friends and influence people.
Love and peace
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.28 02:23:00 -
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(Updated the F&F list to include post ratification changes as of today)
Love and peace
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.30 02:23:00 -
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Updated again with Pureblind policy and alterations to Members and NAP.
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